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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 2, 2010 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

I actually had tickets to that show (it would have been my very first) but I wisely elected to blow off attending in favor of surfing some epic hurricane swells from Hurricane Ella. In spite of the very compelling second set jam that you mention, I have no regrets missing that one...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 2, 2010 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

CH , any surfing plans for tomorrow ?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 2, 2010 10:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

Nobody will be surfing around here tomorrow. It's already blown out here now...


ANZ350-030330-
MORICHES INLET NY TO MONTAUK POINT NY OUT 20 NM-
1204 PM EDT THU SEP 2 2010

TROPICAL STORM WARNING IN EFFECT


THIS AFTERNOON
SW WINDS 10 TO 15 KT. SEAS 7 TO 8 FT...MAINLY IN A SE SWELL. RUGH CONDITIONS AROUND INLETS.

TONIGHT
S WINDS 10 TO 15 KT. SEAS 9 TO 10 FT...MAINLY IN A SE SWELL. RUGH CONDITIONS AROUND INLETS.

FRI
TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS EXPECTED. E WINDS 25 TO 30 KT...
BECOMING NE 30 TO 40 KT WITH GUSTS UP TO 50 KT IN THE AFTERNOON. SEAS AROUND 11 FT...BUILDING TO 13 FT IN THE AFTERNOON. A CHANCE OF SHOWERS EARLY IN THE MORNING. SHOWERS LIKELY LATE IN THE MORNING...THEN SHOWERS IN THE AFTERNOON. VSBY 1 TO 3 NM IN THE LATE MORNING AND AFTERNOON.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 2, 2010 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

Cliff,

How is old Montauk these days? I was back there a few years ago and someone said that Gosman's was being sold? Did that happen?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 2, 2010 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

Montauk is still here. Though Earl may come close tomorrow, Montauk will still be here Saturday as well.

I heard the the rumors a couple years ago, but Gosman's has not been sold. If you have $50mm you can still buy the place...

Any plans to come out to Eastern Long Island again?

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 2, 2010 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

Good to hear. I'd hadn't been back there in 20 years or so when I went a few years ago. Glad to see they kept out development as much as possible. All those hotels down by the circle are still the same as when I was a kid. I don't think we are going to hit Montauk next summer but I'm pitching it for the following year. I know it's ways away but if it happens I'll let you know and we can meet at the melody or that roadsie place on old montauk hwy for a drink. My father said there was this place he used to hit when he was younger over by White's dept store but the name slips me. Ahhh.memory lane.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 2, 2010 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

Shagwong Tavern?

Not the Memory Motel...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Memory-motel.jpg

See you for beer in 2012 :)

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 2, 2010 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

First off my typo on Memory. And yes the shagwong. My father wanted me and my brother to duck in there before we left. Didn't have time to squeeze it in. Last time I was there this guy's kid ran over and started playing with my boys on the sand. Nice guy and he starts talking about how his wife is nagging him and he's in the doghouse. He tells me he's going to happy hour at the roadside bar on the highway so me and my brother meet him there since it was out last night. Great guy and we're having a few drinks. he pulls out a one hitter and he's getting mellow. I ask him how it's going with his wife and he points to the parking lot and says, "the grumpy pain in the ass is sitting in the car." Sure enough she's in the car, arms folded and not loving life. The guy drives to happy hour and leaves his wife in the car. I almost fell off my chair laughing.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Sep 2, 2010 10:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

13 footers coming ashore on south OBX as I type. 6-8 here in Va Beach.

Real 13 footers, not the 13 footers most people measure from crest to trough - which would 'only' be 6.5 footers.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 2, 2010 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

Mando , spot gold price today ( I use it as an indicator of confidence , or lack thereof ) is $1250 .
Confidence abounds !

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 2, 2010 10:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

Our leader has spoken; moved, no doubt, by the power of holding Washington's first inaugural address:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,600583,00.html

I must leave to go prepare for my upcoming trial. Apparently I have a trial starting October 5th as well as a new name.

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Sep 2, 2010 11:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

micah,

Can you elaborate on your spot gold confidence indicator - confidence or lack of what?

Inflation? Investor confidence? Commodoties?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 2, 2010 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

I always wonder what people would do with their gold if their fear of the collapse of the economy came true . Eat it ? How would they barter it ? Here , get working on that axe cause you only get an ounce for that bread . Bartering would most likely be the early replacement economically .
I do look at gold as an indicator of investors confidence in a state's ability to pay back their bondholders . As a hedge against inflation , gold has been a poor performer . Printing trillions of dollars is also a poor performer . Not reducing the state's spending is also a poor performer .
Did you see German , Chinese ( if reliable ) and Indian economic numbers for August ? They will be revised , but I would rather have their growth rates and unemployment numbers then our current ones .

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Sep 2, 2010 4:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

I don't believe gold can be a confidence indicator of a countries ability to pay bondholders simply because it is a global commodity. Prices can and are effected by uncountable inputs worldwide. I do believe its price is mostly driven by worldwide fear of expected inflation / deflation or currency quality flights but also a large part by colusion and manipulation. (Stock and bond markets as well)

Most countries economic numbers are falsified - especially China (The big global lie right now) which is why they can never be believed.

Although US economic numbers are dismal - at least they are open to public scrutiny and private analysis.

"Any way you look at it you lose" in this economy and the continual budget deficit spending will have us all bartering soon.

Question is - when we say a particular Dead show is worth its weight in gold - who's going to put up the OZs for that old Maxell in lew of a loaf of bread?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 2, 2010 4:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

I think we agree . While gold was The indicator at one time , that is no longer the case . I think it still has its place as a major indicator . " Worldwide fear " will drive the hoarders ( today China , India ) and the price .
I wonder in $ , how much debt China has ? Many of those state run , heavy industrial enterprises still exist ( with cradle to grave benefits for the state workers ) , turning out steal ( for example ) , at a price in which they only have a domestic market . Buying it at a price where the state loses even more $ , buying it twice . Let's see how the yaun does unfettered , to test China's real economic strength .

Great ending . It will be the electricity to listen to it that will be a hard bargain . Dead vs. Bread . I hope not .
Don't we all .

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Sep 2, 2010 5:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

Agreed - Except I do not believe China or India have "Cradle to grave" benefits - basically there are no benefits in the sense we know them (medical, retirement pension, social security etc..) The Proletariat are "on their own" and hope family can take care of family. (If your alowed by the government to have kids)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 2, 2010 5:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

They have totally shut down all those factories ? They are ( were ) a huge drain on their economy .
Their govt. is in fear mode now . I follow the persecution ( like jail , hard labor , solitary confinement ) of Chinese Christians . Serious crack down this summer . Don't have a Bible unless govt approved . Or read it . Or talk about it .

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Sep 8, 2010 3:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

And here I am thinking that gold is neither a good investment OR a hedge against inflation/deflation/stagflation/flatulation.....

It is however a means to preserve wealth as it has never had a value of zero - which cannot be said for any fiat currency no matter how loudly the government behind it "backs" its (fiat currency) value.

I have gold, I have ammo, I have 3 years of food stored. If we don't have things figured out in three years and I can't listen to my Dead on my iPod because there is no electricity then I will have to go hunting.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 2, 2010 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

methinks micah was being sarcastic, or better, ironic. What better irony than the flim-flam man scaring people into fleeing to gold in his own self-interest.

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Poster: Dead Surfer Date: Sep 2, 2010 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

I think I would have rather have been at this show then surfing a hurricane swell. I get great waves all the time in CA. But that show is epic!

This post was modified by Dead Surfer on 2010-09-02 19:18:03

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 2, 2010 1:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

"But that show is epic!"

As much as I'm loathe to admit that any performance after 1977 is even listenable by today's standards, I must admit that Giants Stadium show is pretty good.

But epic?

No stadium show from 1978 is "epic" by any long stretch of anyone's imagination!

If shows such as 2/28/69, 2/13/70, 4/29/71, 8/27/72, etc etc are genuine epic performances, how could 9/2/78 possibly be considered an epic show?

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Poster: Jim F Date: Sep 3, 2010 12:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

""But that show is epic!"

As much as I'm loathe to admit that any performance after 1977 is even listenable by today's standards, I must admit that Giants Stadium show is pretty good.

But epic?

No stadium show from 1978 is "epic" by any long stretch of anyone's imagination!

If shows such as 2/28/69, 2/13/70, 4/29/71, 8/27/72, etc etc are genuine epic performances, how could 9/2/78 possibly be considered an epic show?"



+1

9/2 is a decent show. Though this is coming from a guy who thinks he might like 8/30 better than 7/8.

This post was modified by Jim F on 2010-09-03 07:17:50

This post was modified by Jim F on 2010-09-03 07:20:26

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Sep 2, 2010 4:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

I think I'm starting to understand your perspective, Cliffster... most of the shows you consider excellent are truly excellent all the way through.

This is a pretty nice show but various vocal and instrumental flubs in Fire made me cringe this afternoon. Lazy Lightning > Supplication is super nice though and Stagger Lee has some lyric fumbles but the solo is sweet.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 2, 2010 4:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

"perspective" being the operative word, thank you!

I personally consider a three-star show to be quite good. And even a show garnering only two stars will still provide enjoyment to heads whose taste it might suit. There just has to be some spread in the ratings of the best shows, and those that are simply good...

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Sep 2, 2010 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

i hear ya dead surfer.i'd rather surf the waves of sound at a show any day!!lol!! the ocean will always be there.apparently the grateful dead will not!! :) "ride like a surfer upon a tidal wave"

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 2, 2010 7:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

And here I thought you went back at least a little ways into the magic era of 77-or-earlier, Cliff! I hope you don't mind, but my first show was that fall, so now I absolutely have to ask when your first show was, since you waved away this one (ha ha, bad pun) ...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 2, 2010 7:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

The first show that I attended was 1/8/79. Enjoyed it at the time. Cant say there is much to it now...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-01-08.gatto.glyde.10283.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 2, 2010 8:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

Hey, I beat you! My first shows were 11/16, 11/17 and 11/18/78. A whole string of shows. Kind of went from zero to 90 all at once, since I'd met a guy who was a hardcore Deadhead. I haven't found any recordings that indicate the shows were all that spectacular, but they were to me.

One of those shows -- I think 11/18 -- was apparently when Manasha met Jerry, by giving him a pumpkin from the audience. Wish I could say I remember that; I remember roses, but no pumpkin. I can still picture Donna singing a song that struck me even at the time as ... well, um, not particularly good. And I do remember Keith playing. I guess he wasn't in the best of form, but of course I didn't see it that way then. I'm glad to remember Keith and Donna, even just a little at the very end. I still like Keith and Pig the best, though I came to appreciate a lot about Brent.

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Sep 2, 2010 4:08pm
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I was 12 years old on this date Cliff, living in Old Bridge, NJ not an hours drive from the show, but instead I was likely playing Little League baseball and listening to my Who and Beatles records, still not quite sure about that whole DeadHead scene.

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Poster: Dead Surfer Date: Sep 2, 2010 5:10pm
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I was 11 years old living in Old Bridge in 1978 also. I wish I was old enough to see a show with Keith but didn't get to first show until 1983 MSG. Cliff,Giants stadium 78 might not have been the best show of 1978 but to be a great Scarlet-Fire like that?? I wish I was at any 77-78 show except when Jerry had laryngitis.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 2, 2010 6:19pm
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You are right. For some reason, I didnt listen to 9/2/78 for the first time untill a couple years ago. I agree the second set has some fine moments. Still, I'm always drawn to the early years. Like a moth to a flame...

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Sep 2, 2010 5:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

Surfer,

Capt - where you from - Browntown, Southwood, Laurence Harbor, South OB, Cliffwood Beach?

Or do you remember Old Bridge that well

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Poster: Dead Surfer Date: Sep 2, 2010 5:38pm
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I don't really remember well but the High School near by I think was called Madison High. I moved when I was 12 to another part of NJ.

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Sep 2, 2010 7:06pm
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Yeah - Madison Central - did you go to Sandburg MS then?

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Poster: Dead Surfer Date: Sep 2, 2010 11:03pm
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No I went to ST.Ambrose not by choice.

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Poster: vapors Date: Sep 2, 2010 7:09pm
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Small world. I lived in Old Bridge NJ until the middle of second grade – December 1965. Moved further north to Maplewood, where I stayed through hs.

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Sep 2, 2010 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dick's favorite Scarlet>Fire (TDIH)

Capt - where you from - Browntown, Southwood, Laurence Harbor, South OB, Cliffwood Beach?

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Sep 2, 2010 8:12pm
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Went to Jonas Salk Middle School and played Pop Warner For The Sayrewoods South Rebels - Take That Undefeated Season - Beat Manalapan As I Recall.
Would have gone to Madison as well, but we moved to East Brunswick in the nick of time - just down Rt 18...

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Sep 2, 2010 8:33pm
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Maybe you knew my cousins who went to Salk at that time - Naphor's or my inlaws - Cicchino's??

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Sep 2, 2010 8:30pm
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I'm living over here in South OB - my kids went to and will go to Salk - there is no Madison Central and Ceder Ridge high schools no more - Merged into a mega high around 1990 called OB HS

Im from Milltown

PS - my kids played for the OB Rams and we beat the Rebels